Ask the Experts: Petrochemicals

Question:

Hello again…it’s not the article, it’s the comments. Or rather a comment, third one down. Any additional information you  can provide regarding commercial/mainstream perfumes, how they are made, what  they are made of, what tests are done, etc. would be greatly appreciated. {3rd comment from link is below}

You do realize that these “scents” are in fact toxic petrochemi­cals. Using them is likely a cause of the rise in cancers and neurologic­al disorders. They have had no safety testing, have no regulation­s, do not have to reveal their ingredient­s, and are known to contain toxic chemicals.

You cannot breathe gas fumes all day and not expect to be poisoned. And poison others in your vicinity, no matter how innocent and “pretty” the smell may be. Common sense tells you that something that comes out of an oil well is not a good substance to be breathing or wearing.

What’s wrong with “petrochemicals” again? This  word really tells me nothing except that it’s made from crude oil/petroleum,  the by-products or waste of refining crude oil..correct? What’s wrong with taking a “waste” product and turning into something useful? Is it truly harmful to humans? If we didn’t use oil for a lot of other stuff would using  petrochemicals in cosmetics and perfumes be a big deal?

Just whenever  you can look into it, thank you.  Have a great week to all.

Tina

 

Answers: {Robert is addressing the statements made in the 3rd comment quoted above}

You do realize that these “scents” are in fact toxic petrochemicals:
Crude oil contains hundreds of chemicals, many of which are carcinogenic. However, the fact that a chemical is derived from petroleum does not mean that it is toxic. Toxicity is not dependent on the origin of a substance. And, toxicity is not a black-and-white issue: it depends on exposure (dose, concentration) and bioavailability (how much gets into the body). Everything, literally everything, is toxic given sufficient exposure. Therefore, substances are neither inherently “toxic” nor are they “non-toxic”. Whether a petroleum-derived ingredient is “green” or “sustainable” is another matter entirely, especially since the manufacture of most involves a multi-step process, and each step uses energy, and may produce waste.

Using them is likely a cause of the rise in cancers and neurological disorders:
There is no rise in cancers, in fact overall, cancer incidence in the USA in both sexes steadily decreased from 1990 to 2007 (there was a slight increase in the 1975-1990 period). This is not due to better intervention, since the figures show reductions in cancer occurrence, as well as reductions in cancer deaths (Kohler BA et al 2011 Annual Report to the Nation on the Status of Cancer, 1975-2007, Featuring Tumors of the Brain and Other Nervous System. Journal of the National Cancer Institute 103:1-23).

They have had no safety testing:
This is not true. The Research Institute for Fragrance Materials (RIFM) has published detailed monographs on almost 2,000 fragrance ingredients including essential oils, essential oil constituents, and synthetic aromachemicals.

Have no regulations:
This is not true. The International Fragrance Association (IFRA) have regulated the fragrance industry for the past 40 years. Their industry standards can be found here.  Companies that are members of IFRA are legally required to adhere to their safety code. IFRA members include all of the larger cosmetic and fragrance manufacturers in the US.

Do not have to reveal their ingredients:
This is true, and it is the same in every other country in the world. However, some manufacturers voluntarily declare all their fragrance ingredients. Manufacturers claim that their reluctance to declare fragrance ingredients is in order to protect trade secrets. There are also potential problems with listing 100 or more ingredients on a sometimes small label. However, increased transparency is already taking place, and this trend is likely to continue.

And are known to contain toxic chemicals:
See comments above. If you are relying on the Environmental Working Group’s Skin Deep database for your information, you should know that it is unreliable, and many of the pages contain incorrect and misleading information. There are even pages for substances that do not exist.

Robert

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My response is to refer to my PCT post on the subject – Petrochemicals: Confusion and Hypocrisy

Dene


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  • Sarah

     Thanks for a great post!  I see these sorts of comments on the Beauty Brains forum/blog fairly regularly.  Even my employee health service has signs asking visitors to remove perfume, and has posted a fact sheet stating that fragrances are “not made from flowers, but from toxic chemicals.” I am often unsure how best to respond to these claims.

    • Harald Jezek

      Hi Sarah, Robert already answered basically all the points that were brought up. Just one additional comment from my end.
      What makes something toxic, is the concentration you are exposed to. distilled water can kill you if you drink enough of it on an empty stomach. The same is true for salt. Even spices like thyme are toxic if consumed in large enough amounts.
      So, talking about toxicity only makes sense in a context.
      Coming back to fragrances. Actually there might be some ingredients in fragrances that are problematic if they would be applied in a high enough concentration (e.g. some aldehydes).
      However, 1) fragrances are used at tiny concentrations in personal care products (more in perfumes) and 2) fragrances are blends of a number (often a large number) of different components, hence reducing the individual concentration of a single component even more.
      Any negative consequences to your health coming from “scents” are very, very unlikely.

      • Day4dreams

        Negative consequences to health as a direct result of “scents” is well documented.  Asthma, allergies, migraines, are just the most well-known.  Synthetic fragrances are as hazardous to our health as tobacco. 

        • Day4dreams

          Most people do not use the term toxic or toxin to mean the substance will kill you if you drink enough of it.  The term is used to mean the substance contributes to disease or illness. Just like not all toxins call cancer, and not all cancer is terminal, not all toxins cause death. The IFRA has addressed many of the issues related to the some of the ingredients in fragrances; which is why there are limits on some, bans on others, and 26 need to be labeled in Europe because the health hazards have been documented sufficiently that they feel the public needs this information in order to make an informed choice as a consumer, whether to use the product or not.  Like we now have warnings on cigarette packs and liquor bottles.

          But go to any Farmers Market and ask your local soapmaker or INDIE cosmetics crafter whether or not they formulate based on the IFRA recommendations.  You will get a blank stare most of the time. 

          • Perry Romanowski

            Which is why buying from the Big Guys is the “safer” way to go.

          • Swifty

            I noticed you didn’t offer up your proof.

            And as a soapmaker and an INDIE member both I can tell you that the IFRA and RIFM information is indeed utilized when formulating…  YOU may not, but many do.

            And if I choose to fragrance with those evil toxic petrochemicals you are so afraid of, I have to buy my FOs from somewhere – and after 15 years in fragrance manufacturing, I can promise you that the fragrance manufacturers from which crafters purchase formulate based on those guidelines.  

            But still, as Perry says, buying from the big guys has a greater likelihood of getting you a safe fragrance.

          • http://twitter.com/SueApitoLikes Sue Sawhill Apito

            No I didn’t – I don’t know now to prove a negative.  How would you suggest that I prove that my personal experience is that most crafters are not aware of the IFRA recommendations for use of fragrance chemicals.  I don’t formulate – I am a consumer, offering a consumers perspective.  I am not “afraid” of the petrochemical synthetic fragrances, they make me sick and could kill my child who has asthma. They are pollution – plain and simple.

          • swifty

            Um, despite the fact that the world revolves around you, my post was quite clearly directed at 
            Day4dreams to whose post I was replying.  Sorry, Susan.

          • http://twitter.com/SueApitoLikes Sue Sawhill Apito

            Oh sorry “Swifty”…that’s my old login from an old blog.  What’s your real name?

        • Harald Jezek

          Day4dreams: Honestly, that´s a wild claim to say that fragrances as hazardous as tobacco.
          I suppose you can point us to scientific studies that support your claim ?
          Concerning allergies: one can develop allergies to a wide range of stuff, including dust, animal hair and even food. Would you then call all that “toxic” ?
          According to Webster´s dictionary, the term toxic means:”containing or being poisonous material especially when capable of causing death or serious debilitation”. And that´s pretty much how people usually understand the term.

        • Anonymous

          The only thing similar to tobacco is that we are watching our freedoms get taken away.

          Is this our future: http://fumento.com/mcs/scents.html

        • Perry Romanowski

          What evidence do you have that synthetic fragrances have any different hazard level than natural ones? 

          Most of the allergens in fragrances are natural compounds.

      • Sarah

        I agree with everything you say.  My problem is just that the misinformation to the contrary has become so widespread that it’s hard for a lay person to begin to respond to it.  I suspect my employee health service has to post this craziness because multiple chemical sensitivity has become an ADA issue?  Not sure.

        • Anonymous

          MCS has been covered by the ADA for a few years now even though it’s not a recognized disease. The new rules seem like a push for companies to just go fragrance free so they don’t have to deal with the gov’t. Funny, I read some comments by people with disabilities under an article discussing these new rules and they don’t like what’s happening.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you, Robert!! This article and Dene’s, plus a video linked in a comment under Dene’s…..excellent. Much appreciated.